QUINCY, Orabella De

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Family/Spouse: Andrew. Andrew was born about 1150 in Northamptonshire, England. [Group Sheet] [Family Chart]

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Recent research by Dr. Sidney Painter and The Complete Peerage has shown that the de Quincy family was established in Cuinchy, France, near Bethune on the border of Artois and Flanders, before coming to England. Their family name of Quincy (also written Quency and Quincey) is believed to be derived from their above early home in France.

Biography

Robert's older brother, Saher II, inherited the English estates from SAHER I. Robert started appearing in Scottish records around 1165. His career was doubtless advanced by his second cousins Malcolm and WILLIAM THE LION (RIN 1913), successively kings of Scotland, and it was certainly KING WILLIAM who granted to him the site of the old castle of Forfar and a toft in Haddington. While his brother Saher II was serving HENRY II as a justice in Normandy, Robert was acting as Justiciar of Scotland, an office which he held from 1171 to 1178.

Royal favour may also have brought about his marriage, at a date unknown, to a notable heiress, ORABILE, daughter of NESS son of WILLIAM. Her father, a prominent but ill-documented figure, was apparently a first-generation Norman-Scot. ORABILE was heir to her father's lands, to the exclusion of his sons Constantine and Patrick, and thus brought to Robert estates at Gask and Deuglie, in Perthshire, at Leuchars, Lathrisk, Beath and elsewhere in Fife, and at Tranent, in Lothian. This fortunate marriage helped to raise Robert in a short time to a level of importance in Scotland greater than the relatively minor position which his brother Saher II held in English society. Twelfth-century Scotland was a land of opportunity and a vigorous younger son such as Robert de Quincy could make there a name which might become known well beyond the bounds of the small northern kingdom.

In 1190 Robert joined King Richard I on the Third Crusade, was constable of a force to take aid to Antioch in 1191 and in the same year was sent with HUGH III, DUKE OF BURGUNDY (RIN 3796) to Tyre to collect prisoners from PHILIP AUGUSTUS, KING OF FRANCE (RIN 3163). On his return from the crusade, Robert took part in Richard I's campaigns in Normandy in 1194 and 1196. On the death of his nephew Saher III, before 1192, Robert succeeded to the English estates of the family's main line and added these to his Scottish possession s.

By the time of his death, which took place before Michaelmas, 1197, he had proved himself as a knight of wide experience and had established his position as an Anglo-Scottish baron of some prominence. The marriage of Robert and OR ABILE was apparently ended by a separation. She later married Gilchrist, earl of Mar, while Robert married a lady named Eve, who may possibly have been of t he family of the lords of Galloway. The matrimonial complexities of this situation have caused a controversy which need not be entered upon here.

Became a "Soldier of the Cross." [The Roll of Battle Abbey]

First of the de Quincys to settle in Scotland. Was a Northamptonshire gentleman who attached himself to William the Lion, or his predecessor. Married Arabella, daughter of Nes, by whom on her father's death, he obtained Leuchers in Fife, and Duglyn among the Ochils. Died about 1190. Appears as a witness in some of the charters of Malcolm IV. [The Bruces and the Cumyns, p. 519]

Lord of Buckley and of Fawside; Crusader; m. Orabella, dau. of Ness; father of Saher de Quincy, b. 1155; d. c. 1198. [Ancestral Roots, p. 58]

Robert married LEUCHARS, Countess Orabella de in 1153 in Brackley, Northamptonshire, England, and was divorced. Orabella (daughter of FITZWILLIAM, Count Ness Helias) was born in 1133 in Leuchars, Fife, Scotland; died in 1181 in Long Buckby, Northamptonshire, England. [Group Sheet] [Family Chart]

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from http://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/SCOTTISH%20NOBILITY.htm#RobertUmfrevilleAngusdied1325B
ORABILIS (-before 30 Jun 1203).
"Nesius filius Willi et Orabile filia sua heres" donated "ecclesiam de Losresc" to St Andrew´s priory by undated charter[358].
Her first marriage is confirmed by the undated charter under which her son "Seherus de Quency comes Wintonie" donated "totam terram de Duglyn", held by "Nesus filius Willelmi avus meus" to Cambuskenneth priory[359].
Her second marriage is indicated by the undated charter under which "Orabilis comitissa de Mar filia Nesii filii Willi" confirmed the donation of "ecclesiam de Lochres" made by "pater meus Nesius filius Willi" to St Andrew´s priory, witnessed by "Duncano comite de Fif…"[360].
Her third marriage is indicated by the undated charter under which "Nesius filius Willelmi" donated "ecclesiam de Lochres" to St Andrew´s priory witnessed by "Dunecano comite de Fif…Adam filio Dunec et Horabili sponsa sua…"[361].
There seems little doubt that the witness was Orabilis, daughter of the donor, and her third husband, as the name is so unusual.
"Orabilis filia et heres Dñi Nesii" donated property to St Andrew´s priory by undated charter witnessed by "…Patricio filio Nesii, Dunc filio Elin…"[362]. "Orabilis filia et heres Dñi Nesii" donated "Davach ictar Hathyn" to St Andrew´s priory by undated charter witnessed by "…G. com de Mar…Patricio filio Nesii, Duncan filio Emelin…"[363].
Pope Innocent III confirmed the possessions of Inchaffray Abbey, including the donation of land "in territorio de Gasgt" by "quondam Orable matris Seer de Quinci", by bull dated 30 Jun 1203[364]. Orabilis presumably died before her first husband, given the undated charter under which her son "Seerus de Quinci" confirmed the donation of "Davac Icthar Hathyn" made by "matris mea" to St Andrew´s priory which was witnessed by "…Roberto de Quincy patre meo…"[365].
m firstly ([1160/70], separated) as his first wife, ROBERT de Quincy, son of SAHER de Quincy & his wife Maud de Senlis ([1140]-after 1200).
m secondly --- Earl of Mar, son of ---. The Complete Peerage says that "it has been asserted" that Orabilis´s second husband was Gilchrist Earl of Mar, but adds that "the chronology is difficult"[366]. The chronology in fact appears impossible: Earl Gilchrist is recorded up to 1199, whereas Orabilis is named with her [third] husband in a charter of her father which, although undated, is probably not dated much later than 1177.
It seems more likely that Orabilis´s second husband was Morgund Earl of Mar (-[1177/30 Mar 1183]), which if correct means that she was his second wife.
An alternative possibility is that Orabilis´s second and third husbands were in fact reversed, which is the assumption of Balfour Paul[367].
m thirdly ADAM of Fife, son of DUNCAN Macduff Earl of Fife & his wife ---.

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Saher married ST LIZ, Maud about 1125 in , , , England. Maud (daughter of ST LIZ, Count Simon de and HUNTINGTON, Queen Mathilda) was born in 1096 in Tunbridge, Kent, England; died in 1140. [Group Sheet] [Family Chart]

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SURNAME: Also shown as St Liz

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He was one of the Scottish chiefs who were taken at Alnwick with King William -- per The Peerage

Birth: circa 1107
Loches, Fifeshire, Scotland
Death: 1180 (69-77)
Son of William, Lord of Leuchars and Maud de Lewchars
Husband of Margaret de Leuchars (de say Lacie)
Father of Orabella (Orable) de Mar, heiress of Leuchars, Countess of Mar -- Per http://www.leucharsstathernase.org.uk

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Count of Northampton. Reinterred St. Noets. SURNAME: Also shown as St Liz DEATH: Also shown as Died La Charite-Sur-Loir, Nievre, France.

Simon married HUNTINGTON, Queen Mathilda in 1090 in Huntingdonshire, Huntingdonshire, England. Mathilda (daughter of NORTHUMBERLAND, Earl Waltheof and BOULOGNE, Countess Judith) was born on 2 Jul 1072 in Northumberland, England; died on 23 Apr 1131 in Scone, Perthshire, Scotland; was buried on 30 Apr 1131 in Scone Abbey, Perthshire, Scotland. [Group Sheet] [Family Chart]

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Widow of a Norman Baron. SURNAME: Also shown as Northumberland GIVEN NAMES: Also shown as Maud BIRTH: Also shown as Born , Huntingdon, Huntingdonshire, England. DEATH: Also shown as Died 23 Apr 1130 BURIAL: Also shown as Buried , Scone, Perthshire, England. SURNAME: Also shown as Alice

BIO: from http://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/ENGLISH%20NOBILITY%20MEDIEVAL.htm#Matildadied1131
MATILDA [Maud] of Huntingdon ([1071/74]-[23 Apr 1130/22 Apr 1131], bur Scone Abbey, Perthshire). Ingulph's Chronicle of the Abbey of Croyland records the marriage of Matilda eldest daughter of Judith and "Earl Simon[467]. Guillaume de Jumièges records that the eldest of the three daughters of Waltheof & his wife married "Simon de Senlis" and later "David frère de la seconde Mathilde reine des Anglais"[468]. Her parents are named by Orderic Vitalis[469]. Robert of Torigny records that the wife of "David [rex Scotiæ] frater [Alexandri]" was "filiam Gallevi comitis et Judith consobrini regis", naming "Symon Silvanectensis comes" as her first husband[470]. "Matilde comitisse, Henrico filio comitis…" witnessed the charter dated to [1120] under which "David comes filius Malcolmi Regis Scottorum" founded the abbey of Selkirk[471]. "Matildis comitissa…" witnessed inquisitions by "David…Cumbrensis regionis princeps", dated 1124, concerning land owned by the church of Glasgow[472]. m firstly ([1090]) SIMON de Senlis [St Lis], son of [RANULF "the Rich" & his wife --- (-Priory of La Charité-sur-Loire 1111). Earl of Huntingdon and Northampton de iure uxoris. m secondly (1113) DAVID of Scotland Prince of Cumbria, son of MALCOLM III "Caennmor/Bighead" King of Scotland & his wife Margaret of England ([1080]-Carlisle 24 May 1153, bur Dunfermline Abbey, Fife). Earl of Northampton and Huntingdon de iure uxoris. He succeeded his brother in 1124 as DAVID I King of Scotland.

** from English Baronies (Sanders) p 118
Waltheof's heir (of Fotheringay) was his daughter Maud. Maud, who died 1131, married, firstly, Simon I de St. Liz who died 1111-13. She married, seconly, David of Scotland...

** from Wikipedia listing for Maud, 2nd Countess of Huntingdon
Maud, 2nd Countess of Huntingdon (1074-1130) was the daughter of Waltheof, Earl of Northumbria and Judith of Lens, the last of the major Anglo-Saxon earls to remain powerful after the Norman conquest in 1066. She inherited her father's earldom of Huntingdon and married twice.

Her mother, Judith, refused to marry Simon I of St Liz, 1st Earl of Northampton. This refusal angered her uncle, King William I of England, who confiscated Judith's estates after she fled the country. Instead her daughter Maud was married to Simon of St Liz in 1090. She had a number of children with St Liz including:

1. Maud of St Liz, married Robert FitzRichard and Saer de Quincy.
2. Simon II de St Liz, 4th Earl of Huntingdon and Northampton.
3. Saint Walteof de St Liz (1100 – bt 1159 - 1160).

Her first husband died in 1109 and Maud next married King David I of Scotland in 1113. From this marriage she had one son, Henry.

The Scottish House of Dunkeld produced the remaining Earls of Huntingdon of the first creation of the title. She was succeeded to the Earldom of Huntingdon by her son Henry.

According to John of Fordun, she died in 1130 and was buried at Scone, but she appears in a charter dated 1147.

Matilda of Huntingdon
Also Known As:"Also called 'Matilda of Huntingdon' ‘Maud of Northumbria’ and ‘Maud", "Countess of Huntingdon’", "Matilda "Maud" \\of Northumberland\\", "Matilda (Maud) de Huntington /Maud/", "Matilda-Maud /Huntington/", "Matilda (Maud) Huntington", "Maud /Huntington/", "Maud", "Coun..."
Birthdate:1072
Birthplace:Northumberland, England
Death:Died April 23, 1130 in Perthshire, Scotland
Place of Burial:Dunfermline Abbey, Dunfermline, Fife, Scotland
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Daughter of Waltheof, Earl of Northumbria and Judith de Lens, Countess of Huntingdon
Wife of Simon I de Senlis, Earl of Huntingdon and David I, King of Scots
Mother of Robert Cumton (Comyn); Simon de Senliz, II, 4th Earl Of Huntingdon & Northampton; Matilda de St. Liz; Waltheof de St Liz; Malcolm IV King of Scotland House of Albanach and 3 others
Sister of Uchtred de FitzWalthe, Lord of Tynedale and Adelisa de Huntington,
Occupation:Countess of the Honour of Huntingdon, COUNTESS OF HUNTINGDON AND NORTHUMBERLAND, Countess for the Honour of Huntingdon, grevinna av Huntingdon, aka Matilda, QUEEN OF SCOTLAND, Queen of Scotland, Countess of of Huntingdon & Northumberland
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Maude Matilda de Senlis / St. Liz
Also Known As: "Maud de St. Liz", "Maud de St /Liz/", "Matilda de Senlis"
Birthdate: 1091 (67)
Birthplace: Northamptonshire, England
Death: circa August 1158 (63-71)
Belvoir Castle, Leicestershire, England
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Daughter of Simon I de Senlis, Earl of Huntingdon and Matilda Maud of Huntingdon, Countess of Huntingdon
Wife of Lord Saher de Quincy, Lord of Buckby and Daventry and Robert FitzRichard de Clare
Mother of Saher de Quincy, II; Robert "Crusader" de Quincy, Lord of Buckley; Alice de Quincy; Matilda (Maud) FitzRobert de Clare de Senlis; Sir Walter FitzRobert, Lord of Dunmow and 2 others
Sister of Simon de Senliz, II, 4th Earl Of Huntingdon & Northampton and Waltheof de St Liz
Half sister of Henry, 3rd Earl of Huntingdon; Claricia ingen Dabid and Hodierna ingen Dabid

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~SEALING_SPOUSE: Also shown as SealSp 8 Apr 1954, SLAKE.