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• Name	DREUX, Robert
  Prefix	Count
  Christening	1123	Reims, Marne, Champagne-Ardenne, Francia
  Birth	25 Oct 1123	Braine, Aisne, Picardie, France
  Gender	Male
  Burial	Oct 1185	Saint-Ived, Braine, Picardy, France
  Death	11 Oct 1185	Braine, Aisne, Picardie, France
  WAC	13 Oct 1933
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  Father	FRANCE, Louis VI ,   b. 7 Dec 1081, Paris, Île-de-France, Frankreich Paris, Île-de-France, Frankreichd. 1 Aug 1137, Bethizy Castle, Paris, Seine, France (Age 55 years)
  Mother	SAVOY, Countess Alix Adelaid ,   b. 18 Nov 1092, Saint-Jean-De-Maurienne, Savoie, Auvergne-Rhône-Alpes, France Saint-Jean-De-Maurienne, Savoie, Auvergne-Rhône-Alpes, Franced. 18 Nov 1154, Abbey Saint-Pierre, Montmartre, Paris, Île-de-France, France (Age 62 years)
  Marriage	Apr 1115	Paris, France
  Family ID	F24089	Group Sheet  |  Family Chart

  
  

  Family 1	ROCHEFORT, Countess Agnes ,   b. 1125, France France
  Marriage	Aft 1139
  Family ID	F24111	Group Sheet  |  Family Chart
  Last Modified	24 Jan 2022

  
  

  Family 2	EVREUX, Hawise d' ,   b. Abt 1123, Reims, Marne, France Reims, Marne, France
  Marriage	1144
  Family ID	F24112	Group Sheet  |  Family Chart
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  Family 3	BAUDEMENT, Countess Agnes de ,   b. 1130, Baudemont, Saone-et-Loire, Bourgogne, France Baudemont, Saone-et-Loire, Bourgogne, Franced. 11 Jul 1218, Braine, Aisne, Picardy, France (Age 88 years)
  Marriage	1152	France
  Family ID	F24113	Group Sheet  |  Family Chart
  Last Modified	24 Jan 2022

  
  

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  From Medieval Lands: ROBERT de France, son of LOUIS VI King of France & his wife Adélaïde de Maurienne [Savoie] ([1124/26]-Braine [10/12] Oct 1188, bur Braine, église abbatiale de Saint-Ived). The Chronicle of Alberic de Trois-Fontaines names "patruus regis Philippi, comes Robertus" when recording his marriages and children[15]. William of Tyre names him as brother of Louis VII King of France[16]. He left on the Second Crusade with his brother King Louis VII in Jun 1147[17]. Regent and Comte du Perche, by right of his second wife, during the minority of her sons. Seigneur de Braine 1152, by right of his third wife. In compensation for the loss of Perche, his brother Louis VII installed him as Seigneur de Dreux in 1152. "Robertus…comes Drocarum et Brane et…et uxor mea Agnes comitissa Brane" donated revenue from property "apud Qualliacum" to Paris Hôtel-Dieu, with the consent of "Roberti filii nostri", by charter dated 1178[18]. He resigned Dreux to his eldest son in 1184. The necrology of Chartres cathedral records the death "VI Id Oct" of "Robertus Drocensis comes frater Ludovici regis Francorum"[19]. The necrology of Orléans Cathedral records the death “IV Id Oct” of “Robertus comes”[20]. [Du Chesne suggests that Agnes de Garlande, widow of Amaury [III] de Montfort Comte d’Evreux, married, as her second husband and his first wife, Robert de France Seigneur de Dreux[21]. He bases this on a charter dated to [1 Nov 1183/31 Mar 1184] in which Philippe II King of France confirmed the property of Notre-Dame de Colombs, including property "in loco Campus à la Drouë" donated by "Robertus comes de Drocis et de Montfort" and "domum de là Nouë" donated by "Simon de Drocis in sua ultima voluntate"[22]. Du Chesne’s argument is that Robert Seigneur de Dreux could only have been entitled to "le titre de comte de Montfort, don’t le roy le rehausse" from "un mariage fait avec la douairiere de la mesme comté". He also suggests that "Simon de Drocis", also named in the same charter, was the son of this marriage. There are three difficulties with Du Chesne’s argument. Firstly, Amaury [III] de Montfort was comte d’Evreux not "comte de Montfort", a title which does not appear ever to have been borne by members of his family. Secondly, the chronology is unfavourable for the widow of Amaury [III], who was probably born in [1110/15] at the latest, to have married Robert de Dreux whose birth is estimated to [1124/26]. Thirdly, it is unlikely that Agnes would have given the name Simon to a son born from this supposed second marriage, given that she already had a son of that name by her marriage to Amaury. In conclusion, the evidence of the [1183/84] charter alone is insufficient to corroborate this marriage.] m firstly ([1144/45]) as her second husband, HAWISE de Salisbury, widow of ROTROU [II] Comte du Perche Seigneur de Bellême, daughter of WALTER FitzEdward Earl of Salisbury & his wife Sibylle de Chaources [Chaworth] (-13 Jan before 1152). The Chronicle of Alberic de Trois-Fontaines refers to the first wife of "comitem de Brana Robertum domnum" as "matrem…comitis Rotroldi de Pertico, natam de Salesberia"[23]. Robert of Torigny records that "uxorem…suam [comitis Perticensis Rotrodi]" was later given by "Ludovicus rex Francorum [to] Roberto fratri suo"[24]. The necrology of Chartres cathedral records the death "Id Jan" of "Amicia comitissa Perticensis mater Rotrodi militis"[25], although if this entry correctly refers to Hawise it is surprising that there is no reference which would indicate her second marriage. m secondly (1152) as her second husband, AGNES de Baudémont Dame de Braine, widow of MILON [II] Comte de Bar-sur-Seine, daughter and heiress of GUY de Baudément Seigneur de Braine & his wife Alix Dame de Braine (1130-24 Jul 1204, bur Braine, église abbatiale de Saint-Ived). The Chronicle of Alberic de Trois-Fontaines names "Agnes nobilis de Barro super Sequanam" as second wife of "comitem de Brana Robertum domnum", specifying that she was "mater comitisse Petronille"[26]. The primary source which confirms her parentage has not been identified. "Robertus…comes Drocarum et Brane et…et uxor mea Agnes comitissa Brane" donated revenue from property "apud Qualliacum" to Paris Hôtel-Dieu, with the consent of "Roberti filii nostri", by charter dated 1178[27]. "R comes dominus Droc et Bran" donated property to Notre-Dame de la Trappe with the consent of "Agnetis uxoris eius [R patris meis]…comitisse matris mee…et Yolande comitisse uxore mee et liberorum meorum " by charter dated Jul 1212[28], although the document is incorrectly dated assuming that the death date of Agnes is correct as shown above. The Chronicon Fiscannensis Cœnobii records the death in 1204 of "Agnes Comitissa Branæ"[29]. The necrology of Orléans Cathedral records the death “IX Kal Aug” of “Agnes comitissa de Brena”[30]. [Source: The Medieval Lands Project, "ROBERT de France", downloaded 17 September, dvmansur; see Sources for link to full article, which lists children.] Robert I of Dreux, nicknamed the Great (c.1123 – 11 October 1188), was the fifth son of Louis VI of France and Adélaide de Maurienne. Through his mother he was related to the Carolingians and to the Marquess William V of Montferrat. In 1137 he received the County of Dreux as an appanage from his father. He held this title until 1184 when he granted it to his son Robert II. In 1139 he married Agnes de Garlande. In 1145, he married Hawise of Salisbury. By his third marriage to Agnes de Baudemont in 1152, he received the County of Braine-sur-Vesle, and the lordships of Fère-en-Tardenois, Pontarcy, Nesle, Longueville, Quincy-en-Tardenois, Savigny, and Baudemont. Robert I participated in the Second Crusade and was at the Siege of Damascus in 1148. In 1158 he fought against the English and participated in the Siege of Séez in 1154. Marriages and children 1.Agnes de Garlande (1122–1143), daughter of Anseau de Garlande, count of Rochefort. Simon (1141 – bef. 1182), lord of La Noue 2.Hawise of Salisbury (1118–1152), daughter of Walter Fitz Edward of Salisbury, Sheriff of Wiltshire Adèle of Dreux (1145 – aft. 1210), married firstly Valéran III, count of Breteuil, secondly Guy II, lord of Châtillon-sur-Marne, thirdly Jean I de Thorotte, fourthly Raoul III de Nesle, count of Soissons.[6] Alice or Adelheid (1144–?) 3.Agnes de Baudemont, Countess of Braine (1130 – c. 1202). Robert II (1154–1218), count of Dreux and Braine. Henry (1155–1199), bishop of Orléans Alix (1156 – aft. 1217), married Raoul I, lord of Coucy Philippe (1158–1217), bishop of Beauvais. Isabella (1160–1239), married Hugh III of Broyes Peter (1161–1186) William (1163 – aft. 1189), lord of Braye, Torcy, and Chilly John (1164 – aft. 1189) Mamilie (1166–1200) Margaret (1167–?), nun The Sicilian chancellor Stephen du Perche may also have been a son (legitimate or not) of his. BIO: Count of Dreux, 1137; Prince of France. ** from http://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/PARIS%20REGION%20NOBILITY.htm#RobertIDreuxdied1188B, as of 11/2/2014 ROBERT de France, son of LOUIS VI King of France & his wife Adélaïde de Maurienne [Savoie] ([1124/26]-Braine [10/12] Oct 1188, bur Braine, église abbatiale de Saint-Ived). The Chronicle of Alberic de Trois-Fontaines names "patruus regis Philippi, comes Robertus" when recording his marriages and children[2729]. William of Tyre names him as brother of Louis VII King of France[2730]. He left on the Second Crusade with his brother King Louis VII in Jun 1147[2731]. Regent and Comte du Perche, by right of his second wife, during the minority of her sons. Seigneur de Braine 1152, by right of his third wife. In compensation for the loss of Perche, his brother Louis VII installed him as Seigneur de Dreux in 1152. "Robertus…comes Drocarum et Brane et…et uxor mea Agnes comitissa Brane" donated revenue from property "apud Qualliacum" to Paris Hôtel-Dieu, with the consent of "Roberti filii nostri", by charter dated 1178[2732]. He resigned Dreux to his eldest son in 1184. The necrology of Chartres cathedral records the death "VI Id Oct" of "Robertus Drocensis comes frater Ludovici regis Francorum"[2733]. The necrology of Orléans Cathedral records the death “IV Id Oct” of “Robertus comes”[2734]. [Du Chesne suggests that Agnes de Garlande, widow of Amaury [III] de Montfort Comte d’Evreux, married, as her second husband and his first wife, Robert de France Seigneur de Dreux[2735]. He bases this on a charter dated to [1 Nov 1183/31 Mar 1184] in which Philippe II King of France confirmed the property of Notre-Dame de Colombs, including property "in loco Campus à la Drouë" donated by "Robertus comes de Drocis et de Montfort" and "domum de là Nouë" donated by "Simon de Drocis in sua ultima voluntate"[2736]. Du Chesne’s argument is that Robert Seigneur de Dreux could only have been entitled to "le titre de comte de Montfort, don’t le roy le rehausse" from "un mariage fait avec la douairiere de la mesme comté". He also suggests that "Simon de Drocis", also named in the same charter, was the son of this marriage. There are three difficulties with Du Chesne’s argument. Firstly, Amaury [III] de Montfort was comte d’Evreux not "comte de Montfort", a title which does not appear ever to have been borne by members of his family. Secondly, the chronology is unfavourable for the widow of Amaury [III], who was probably born in [1110/15] at the latest, to have married Robert de Dreux whose birth is estimated to [1124/26]. Thirdly, it is unlikely that Agnes would have given the name Simon to a son born from this supposed second marriage, given that she already had a son of that name by her marriage to Amaury. In conclusion, the evidence of the [1183/84] charter alone is insufficient to corroborate this marriage.] m firstly ([1144/45]) as her second husband, HAWISE de Salisbury, widow of ROTROU [II] Comte du Perche Seigneur de Bellême, daughter of WALTER FitzEdward Earl of Salisbury & his wife Sibylle de Chaources [Chaworth] (-13 Jan before 1152). The Chronicle of Alberic de Trois-Fontaines refers to the first wife of "comitem de Brana Robertum domnum" as "matrem…comitis Rotroldi de Pertico, natam de Salesberia"[2737]. Robert of Torigny records that "uxorem…suam [comitis Perticensis Rotrodi]" was later given by "Ludovicus rex Francorum [to] Roberto fratri suo"[2738]. The necrology of Chartres cathedral records the death "Id Jan" of "Amicia comitissa Perticensis mater Rotrodi militis"[2739], although if this entry correctly refers to Hawise it is surprising that there is no reference which would indicate her second marriage. m secondly (1152) as her second husband, AGNES de Baudément Dame de Braine, widow of MILON [II] Comte de Bar-sur-Seine, daughter and heiress of GUY de Baudément Seigneur de Braine & his wife Alix Dame de Braine (1130-24 Jul 1204, bur Braine, église abbatiale de Saint-Ived). The Chronicle of Alberic de Trois-Fontaines names "Agnes nobilis de Barro super Sequanam" as second wife of "comitem de Brana Robertum domnum", specifying that she was "mater comitisse Petronille"[2740]. The primary source which confirms her parentage has not yet been identified. "Robertus…comes Drocarum et Brane et…et uxor mea Agnes comitissa Brane" donated revenue from property "apud Qualliacum" to Paris Hôtel-Dieu, with the consent of "Roberti filii nostri", by charter dated 1178[2741]. "R comes dominus Droc et Bran" donated property to Notre-Dame de la Trappe with the consent of "Agnetis uxoris eius [R patris meis]…comitisse matris mee…et Yolande comitisse uxore mee et liberorum meorum " by charter dated Jul 1212[2742], although the document is incorrectly dated assuming that the death date of Agnes is correct as shown above. The Chronicon Fiscannensis Cœnobii records the death in 1204 of "Agnes Comitissa Branæ"[2743]. The necrology of Orléans Cathedral records the death “IX Kal Aug” of “Agnes comitissa de Brena”[2744]. Robert [I] & his first wife had one child: 1. ALIX de Dreux ([1145/46]-[Jan 1205/Mar 1210], bur église collégiale de Dreux). m firstly ([1156/60]) as his second wife, VALERAN [III] Seigneur de Breteuil, son of ERARD [III] "le Vaillant" Seigneur de Breteuil & his first wife Beatrix de Coucy (-1162). m secondly ([1162/66]) GUY [II] Seigneur de Châtillon-sur-Marne, son of GAUCHER II Seigneur de Châtillon-sur-Marne & his wife Ada de Roucy (-[1170], bur église collégiale de Dreux). m thirdly ([1170]) JEAN [I] Seigneur de Thourotte Châtelain de Noyon et de Coucy, son of ROGER Seigneur de Thourotte & his wife Havide --- (-[1176/77]). m fourthly (1182 or before) as his first wife, RAOUL de Nesle Comte de Soissons, son of RAOUL Seigneur de Nesle, Châtelain de Bruges & his wife Gertrude de Montaigu (-4 Jan 1235). Robert I & his second wife had [eleven] children: 2. ROBERT [II] de Dreux ([1153]-28 Dec 1218, bur Braine, église abbatiale de Saint-Ived). He succeeded his father in 1184 as Comte de Dreux, and in 1188 as Comte de Braine. 3. [SIMON de Dreux .] 4. HENRI de Dreux ([1155]-on a journey to Rome 25 Apr 1199). Archdeacon of Beauvais 1178-1186. He was elected Bishop of Orléans 1186. 5. ALIX de Dreux ([1156]-after Feb 1217). m (after 1173) as his second wife, RAOUL [I] de Coucy Seigneur de Coucy et de Marle, son of ENGUERRAND [II] Seigneur de Coucy & his wife Agnes de Boisgency (after 1142-killed siege of Acre Nov 1191, bur Abbaye de Foigny). He was one of the advisers of Philippe II King of France. 6. PHILIPPE de Dreux ([1158]-4 Nov 1217, bur Beauvais Cathedral). He was elected Bishop of Beauvais 17 May 1176, consecrated at Reims 1180. 7. ISABELLE de Dreux ([1160]-1239). m ([1178]) as his second wife, HUGUES [III] Sire de Broyes et de Châteauvillain, son of SIMON [I] Sire de Broyes & his wife Félicité de Brienne (-1199, bur Clairvaux). 8. PIERRE de Dreux ([1161]-after 1185). 9. GUILLAUME de Dreux ([1163]-after 1189). 10. JEAN de Dreux ([1164]-after 1189, bur Dreux, église Saint-Etienne). 11. MAMILIE de Dreux ([1166]-1200). Prioress of Wariville. 12. MARGUERITE de Dreux ([1167]-after 1187). ** from Wikipedia listing for Robert I, Count of Dreux, as of 11/2/2014 Robert I of Dreux, nicknamed the Great (c. 1123 – 11 October 1188), was the fifth son of Louis VI of France and Adélaide de Maurienne.[1] Through his mother he was related to the Carolingians and to the Marquess William V of Montferrat. In 1137 he received the County of Dreux as an appanage from his father. He held this title until 1184 when he granted it to his son Robert II. In 1139 he married Agnes de Garlande.[2] In 1145, he married Hawise of Salisbury.[3] By his third marriage to Agnes de Baudemont in 1152, he received the County of Braine-sur-Vesle, and the lordships of Fère-en-Tardenois, Pontarcy, Nesle, Longueville, Quincy-en-Tardenois, Savigny, and Baudemont.[4] Robert I participated in the Second Crusade and was at the Siege of Damascus in 1148. In 1158 he fought against the English and participated in the Siege of Séez in 1154. Marriages and children 1.Agnes de Garlande (1122–1143), daughter of Anseau de Garlande, count of Rochefort.[5] Simon (1141 – bef. 1182), lord of La Noue 2.Hawise of Salisbury (1118–1152), daughter of Walter Fitz Edward of Salisbury, Sheriff of Wiltshire Adèle of Dreux (1145 – aft. 1210), married firstly Valéran III, count of Breteuil, secondly Guy II, lord of Châtillon-sur-Marne, thirdly Jean I de Thorotte, fourthly Raoul III de Nesle, count of Soissons.[6] Alice or Adelheid (1144–?) 3.Agnes de Baudemont, Countess of Braine (1130 – c. 1202).[7] Robert II (1154–1218), count of Dreux and Braine.[8] Henry (1155–1199), bishop of Orléans Alix (1156 – aft. 1217), married Raoul I, lord of Coucy Philippe (1158–1217), bishop of Beauvais.[9] Isabella (1160–1239), married Hugh III of Broyes Peter (1161–1186) William (1163 – aft. 1189), lord of Braye, Torcy, and Chilly John (1164 – aft. 1189) Mamilie (1166–1200) Margaret (1167–?), nun The Sicilian chancellor Stephen du Perche may also have been a son (legitimate or not) of his. Notes Dreux, R. Thomas McDonald and William W. Clark, Medieval France: An Encyclopedia, Ed. William W. Kibler, (Routledge, 1995), 305. Michel, Edmond, Histoire de la ville de Brie-Comte-Robert, Vol.1, (Dujarric & Cie, 1902), 69. Power, Daniel, The Norman frontier in the twelfth and early thirteenth centuries, (Cambridge University Press, 2004), 239. Power, 214. Michel, Vol.1, 69 Power, 239. Power, 214. Gislebertus of Mons, Chronicle of Hainaut, Trans. Laura Napran, (Boydell Press, 2005), 110. Gislebertus of Mons, 110 References Gislebertus of Mons, Chronicle of Hainaut, Trans. Laura Napran, Boydell Press, 2005. Medieval France: an encyclopedia, Ed. William W. Kibler, Routledge, 1995. Michel, Edmond, Histoire de la ville de Brie-Comte-Robert, Vol.1, Dujarric & Cie, 1902. Power, Daniel, The Norman frontier in the twelfth and early thirteenth centuries, Cambridge University Press, 2004.