ALENCON, Count Guillaume III

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• Name	ALENCON, Guillaume
  Prefix	Count
  Suffix	III
  Birth	8 Nov 1090	Elellington, Lincolnshire, England
  Gender	Male
  Death	30 Jun 1171	Alencon, Orne, Normandy, France
  Burial	Jul 1171	Alençon, Orne, Normandy, France
  WAC	20 Jan 1933
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  Father	ALENCON, Earl Robert de II ,   b. 8 May 1054, Montgomery, Montgomeryshire, Wales Montgomery, Montgomeryshire, Walesd. 8 May 1131, Charroux, Allier, Auvergne, France (Age 77 years)
  Mother	PONTHIEU, Countess Agnes ,   b. 1060, Ponthieu, Somme, Picardie, France Ponthieu, Somme, Picardie, Franced. 6 Oct 1100, Ponthieu, Somme, Picardie, France (Age 40 years)
  Marriage	9 Sep 1087	France   [1]
  Family ID	F15412	Group Sheet  |  Family Chart

  
  

  Family	BURGUNDY, Countess Alice ,   b. Abt 1055, Bourgogne, France Bourgogne, Franced. 1091 (Age 36 years)
  Children	+ 1. PONTHIEU, Count Guy ,   b. 1115, Ponthieu, Somme, Picardie, France Ponthieu, Somme, Picardie, Franced. 25 Dec 1147, İzmir, Turkey (Age 32 years)
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  http://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/NORTHERN FRANCE.htm GUILLAUME [I] "Talvas" de Ponthieu, son of ROBERT de Montgommery "de Bellême" Sire d'Alençon, Comte de Ponthieu, Earl of Shrewsbury & his wife Agnès de Ponthieu (-30 Jun 1171). His parentage is given by Orderic Vitalis[870]. He succeeded his father [4 Mar 1106/1110][871] as Comte de Ponthieu. "Wilelmus comes Pontivi" confirmed the donation of the church of Saint-Léonard de Bellême to Marmoutier by charter dated to [1112/14][872]. Henry I King of England restored Comte Guillaume to his father's lands in Normandy in Jun 1119[873]. He resigned Ponthieu in [1126] in favour of his son Guy. "Gulielmus comes Pontivorum" donated property to the abbey of Saint-Sauveur-le-Vicomte for the souls of "his predecessors earl Roger and Mabel his wife, count Guy and Adda his wife, his father Robert de Belesmo and his mother Agnes and…Ela his wife and of their sons two of them called Robert and two William and two Enguerrand and Mabel his daughter" by charter dated 1127[874]. Robert of Torigny records that Henry II King of England granted "castrum Alenceium et Rocam Mabiriæ" to "Willermus Talavacius comes Sagiensis et filius eius Johannes et iterum Johannes nepos eius filius Guidonis primogeniti sui comitis Pontivi" in 1166[875]. Robert of Torigny records the death in 1171 of "Guillermus Talavercius comes Pontivi" and the succession of "Johannes nepos suus…ex Guidone primogenito suo"[876]. The Obituaire of Saint-Martin de Séez records the death 30 Jun of "Guillelmus Pontivorum comes"[877]. The necrology of the monastery of Ouche records the death "30 Jun" of "Willelmus comes Talevat"[878]. [m firstly ---. The name of Guillaume´s supposed first wife is not known. This first marriage is strongly suggested by the marriage date of Guillaume´s daughter Clémence. She is named in Jul 1128 with her son "Gaufrido primogenito" (see below). The addition of the word "primogenito" suggests that there was at least one other younger child at that date. This would place her marriage in late 1125 at the very latest. It is extremely unlikely, therefore, that she could have born from Guillaume´s marriage to Hélie de Bourgogne, the death of whose first husband is recorded in late Apr 1112. The other indication is the unlikelihood that Hélie de Bourgogne could have had eleven children by her second husband, considering her own estimated birth date.] m [secondly] ([late 1112/1115]) as her second husband, HELIE de Bourgogne, widow of BERTRAND de Toulouse Count of Tripoli, daughter of EUDES I Duke of Burgundy [Capet] & his wife Sibylle de Bourgogne [Comté] ([1080]-28 Feb 1141). She is named by Orderic Vitalis, who also records her parentage, her two marriages and the names of her eldest sons by each marriage[879]. "Gulielmus comes Pontivorum" donated property to the abbey of Saint-Sauveur-le-Vicomte for the souls of "…Ela his wife…" by charter dated 1127[880]. "Guido comes Pontivi" donated property to Cîteaux with the consent of "pater eius Willelmus comes…et mater eius Hela" by charter dated 18 Dec 1139[881]. "Wido comes Pontivii" confirmed freedoms over his lands, with the consent of "patris mei Willermi et domine Ele matris mee, fratris mei Johannis et uxoris mee Ide et filii mei Johannis" by undated charter[882]. Comte Guillaume [I] & his [first] wife had [two] children: 1. CLEMENCE de Ponthieu (-30 Nov before 1189). Guillaume de Jumièges records that an unnamed daughter of Guillaume Talvas married "Joel fils de Gauthier de Mayenne"[883]. "Juhello principe Meduane et uxore eius Clementia et filio eorum Gaufrido primogenito" subscribed a charter dated 12 and 26 Jul 1128, under which property was restored to the abbey of Mont-Saint-Michel[884]. m (before [1126]) JUHEL Sire de Mayenne, son of GAUTHIER Seigneur de Mayenne & his wife Aline --- (-23 Dec 1161, bur Evroux). 2. MABILE de Ponthieu . "Gulielmus comes Pontivorum" donated property to the abbey of Saint-Sauveur-le-Vicomte for the souls of "Ela his wife and of their sons two of them called Robert and two William and two Enguerrand and Mabel his daughter" by charter dated 1127[885]. If this translation is accurate, the wording suggests that Mabile was not the daughter of Guillaume´s known wife Hélie. 3. PHILIPPA de Ponthieu (-before 1149, bur Abbaye de Saint-Martin de Sées). The primary source which confirms her parentage has not yet been identified. It is suggested that she may have been born from her father´s supposed first marriage only to reduce the number of children attributed to his wife Hélie, whose age suggests that she could not have been the mother of ten children. Comte Guillaume [I] & his wife had nine children: 4. GUY [II] de Ponthieu (-Ephesus [25 Dec] 1147). His parentage is recorded by Orderic Vitalis[886]. He succeeded before 1129 as Comte de Ponthieu. 5. GUILLAUME de Ponthieu (-after 1166). "Gulielmus comes Pontivorum" donated property to the abbey of Saint-Sauveur-le-Vicomte for the souls of "Ela his wife and of their sons two of them called Robert and two William and two Enguerrand and Mabel his daughter" by charter dated 1127[887]. Comte d'Alençon 1166. 6. ROBERT de Ponthieu . "Gulielmus comes Pontivorum" donated property to the abbey of Saint-Sauveur-le-Vicomte for the souls of "Ela his wife and of their sons two of them called Robert and two William and two Enguerrand and Mabel his daughter" by charter dated 1127[888]. 1127. 7. ROBERT de Garennes (-1171 or after). "Gulielmus comes Pontivorum" donated property to the abbey of Saint-Sauveur-le-Vicomte for the souls of "Ela his wife and of their sons two of them called Robert and two William and two Enguerrand and Mabel his daughter" by charter dated 1127[889]. Monk before 1147. 8. GUILLAUME de Ponthieu . "Gulielmus comes Pontivorum" donated property to the abbey of Saint-Sauveur-le-Vicomte for the souls of "Ela his wife and of their sons two of them called Robert and two William and two Enguerrand and Mabel his daughter" by charter dated 1127[890]. 9. ENGUERRAND de Ponthieu . "Gulielmus comes Pontivorum" donated property to the abbey of Saint-Sauveur-le-Vicomte for the souls of "Ela his wife and of their sons two of them called Robert and two William and two Enguerrand and Mabel his daughter" by charter dated 1127[891]. 10. ENGUERRAND de Ponthieu . "Gulielmus comes Pontivorum" donated property to the abbey of Saint-Sauveur-le-Vicomte for the souls of "Ela his wife and of their sons two of them called Robert and two William and two Enguerrand and Mabel his daughter" by charter dated 1127[892]. 11. JEAN de Ponthieu (-1191). "Wido comes Pontivii" confirmed freedoms over his lands, with the consent of "patris mei Willermi et domine Ele matris mee, fratris mei Johannis et uxoris mee Ide et filii mei Johannis" by undated charter[893]. He succeeded in 1141 as Comte d'Alençon. Robert of Torigny records that Henry II King of England granted "castrum Alenceium et Rocam Mabiriæ" to "Willermus Talavacius comes Sagiensis et filius eius Johannes et iterum Johannes nepos eius filius Guidonis primogeniti sui comitis Pontivi" in 1166[894]. Robert of Torigny records the death in 1171 of "Guillermus Talavercius comes Pontivi" and the succession of "Johannes comes filius eius" in the lands which he held from the English king "in Normannia et in Cenomannensi pago"[895]. 12. ELA de Ponthieu (-10 Oct 1174). Guillaume de Jumièges records that an unnamed daughter of Guillaume Talvas married "Guillaume de Warenne comte de Surrey"[896]. The primary source which confirms her name has not yet been identified but, if it is correct, it suggests that she must have been born from Guillaume´s marriage to Hélie de Bourgogne. Her second marriage is confirmed by Robert of Torigny who refers to the wife of "comes Patricius" as "filia Guillermi comitis Pontivi, matre comitisse de Warenna"[897]. m firstly WILLIAM de Warenne Earl of Surrey, son of WILLIAM de Warenne Earl of Surrey & his wife Elisabeth de Vermandois [Capet] ([1119]-killed in battle Laodicea 19 Jan 1148). m secondly (1152 or before) as his second wife, PATRICK Earl of Salisbury, son of WALTER FitzEdward de Salisbury & his wife Maud de Chaources [Chaworth] (-killed in battle Poitou [7 Apr] 1168, bur Poitiers, Abbaye de Saint-Hilaire). BIO: from http://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/NORTHERN%20FRANCE.htm#GuyIIPonthieudied1147 GUILLAUME [I] "Talvas" de Ponthieu, son of ROBERT de Montgommery "de Bellême" Sire d'Alençon, Comte de Ponthieu, Earl of Shrewsbury & his wife Agnès de Ponthieu (-30 Jun 1171). His parentage is given by Orderic Vitalis[1009]. He succeeded his father [4 Mar 1106/1110][1010] as Comte de Ponthieu. "Wilelmus comes Pontivi" confirmed the donation of the church of Saint-Léonard de Bellême to Marmoutier by charter dated to [1112/14][1011]. Henry I King of England restored Comte Guillaume to his father's lands in Normandy in Jun 1119[1012]. He resigned Ponthieu in [1126] in favour of his son Guy. "Gulielmus comes Pontivorum" donated property to the abbey of Saint-Sauveur-le-Vicomte for the souls of "his predecessors earl Roger and Mabel his wife, count Guy and Adda his wife, his father Robert de Belesmo and his mother Agnes and…Ela his wife and of their sons two of them called Robert and two William and two Enguerrand and Mabel his daughter" by charter dated 1127[1013]. Robert of Torigny records that Henry II King of England granted "castrum Alenceium et Rocam Mabiriæ" to "Willermus Talavacius comes Sagiensis et filius eius Johannes et iterum Johannes nepos eius filius Guidonis primogeniti sui comitis Pontivi" in 1166[1014]. Robert of Torigny records the death in 1171 of "Guillermus Talavercius comes Pontivi" and the succession of "Johannes nepos suus…ex Guidone primogenito suo"[1015]. The Obituaire of Saint-Martin de Séez records the death 30 Jun of "Guillelmus Pontivorum comes"[1016]. The necrology of the monastery of Ouche records the death "30 Jun" of "Willelmus comes Talevat"[1017]. [firstly ---. The name of Guillaume´s supposed first wife is not known. This first marriage is strongly suggested by the marriage date of Guillaume´s daughter Clémence. She is named in Jul 1128 with her son "Gaufrido primogenito" (see below). The addition of the word "primogenito" suggests that there was at least one other younger child at that date. This would place her marriage in late 1125 at the very latest. It is extremely unlikely, therefore, that she could have born from Guillaume´s marriage to Hélie de Bourgogne, the death of whose first husband is recorded in late Apr 1112. The other indication is the unlikelihood that Hélie de Bourgogne could have had eleven children by her second husband, considering her own estimated birth date.] [secondly] ([late 1112/1115]) as her second husband, HELIE de Bourgogne, widow of BERTRAND de Toulouse Count of Tripoli, daughter of EUDES I Duke of Burgundy [Capet] & his wife Sibylle de Bourgogne [Comté] ([1080]-28 Feb 1141). She is named by Orderic Vitalis, who also records her parentage, her two marriages and the names of her eldest sons by each marriage[1018]. "Gulielmus comes Pontivorum" donated property to the abbey of Saint-Sauveur-le-Vicomte for the souls of "…Ela his wife…" by charter dated 1127[1019]. "Guido comes Pontivi" donated property to Cîteaux with the consent of "pater eius Willelmus comes…et mater eius Hela" by charter dated 18 Dec 1139[1020]. "Wido comes Pontivii" confirmed freedoms over his lands, with the consent of "patris mei Willermi et domine Ele matris mee, fratris mei Johannis et uxoris mee Ide et filii mei Johannis" by undated charter[1021]. Comte Guillaume [I] & his [first] wife had [two] children... ** from Complete Peerage, vol 11, p 697 Shrewsbury. William (Talvas--William did not use this nickname when granting or attesting charters, but it is given him by Orderic and Robert de Torigny. It has been given originally to his ancestor William , father of Mabel, first Countess of Shrewsbury, and was borne again by his great-grandson, William II, Count of Pointhiu), only son and heir, became Count of Ponthieu in succession to his father, probably between 4 Mar. 1105/6, when William and his father Robert de Belleme confirmed to the abbey of Marmoutier all its possessions in all their land and in Ponthieu, and 1110 or 1111, when William alone, as Count of Ponthieu, made a gift to the abbey of Cluny. In June 1119 Henry I restored to him all his father's lands in Normandy. He resigned Ponthieu to his son Guy, in or after 1126, but before 17 Oct. 1129, but retained the title of Count of Ponthieu. In 1135 Henry I confiscated his Norman lands, whereupon William joined Geoffrey Plantagenet, with whom he invaded Normandy after the death of Henry I. He married Ela, widow of Bertrand, Count of Toulouse, and daughter of Eudes Borel, Duke of Burgundy, by Maud, sister of William Testard, Count of Burgundy. He died 30 June 1171. ** from Wikipedia listing for William III, Count of Ponthieu, as of 10/20/2014 William III of Ponthieu (c. 1093[1] – 1172) also called William (II; III) Talvas.[a] He was seigneur de Montgomery in Normandy and Count of Ponthieu. Life William was son of Robert II of Bellême and Agnes of Ponthieu.[2][3][4] He succeeded his father as count of Ponthieu some time between 1105 and 1111,[2] when he alone as count made a gift to the abbey of Cluny.[3] His father Robert de Bellême had turned against Henry I on several occasions, had escaped capture at the battle of Tinchebrai in 1106 commanding Duke Robert's rear guard and later, while serving as envoy for King Louis of France, he was arrested by Henry I and imprisoned for life.[5] William was naturally driven by this to oppose King Henry. In June of 1119, however, Henry I restored all his father's lands in Normandy. Sometime prior to 1126, William resigned the county of Ponthieu to his son Guy but retained the title of count.[3] In 1135 Henry I again confiscated all his Norman lands to which William responded by joining count Geoffrey of Anjou in his invasion of Normandy after Henry I's death[3] Family His married, abt. 1115, Helie of Burgundy, daughter of Eudes I, Duke of Burgundy.[2][6] The Gesta Normannorum Ducum says that they had five children, three sons and two daughters. Europäische Stammtafeln, however, shows eleven.[2] The five both agree on are: Guy II. He assumed the county of Ponthieu during his father Talvas' lifetime, but died in 1147 predeceasing his father.[2] William, Count of Alençon.[2] John I, Count of Alençon, married Beatrix d'Anjou, daughter of Elias II, Count of Maine and Philippa, daughter of Rotrou III, Count of Perche.[2] Clemence married (abt. 1189) Juhel, son of Walter of Mayenne.[2] Adela (aka Ela) married William de Warenne, 3rd Earl of Surrey.[2] She married, secondly, Patrick of Salisbury. References Kathleen Thompson, 'William Talvas, Count of Ponthieu, and the Politics of the Anglo-Norman Realm', England and Normandy in the Middle Ages, ed. David Bates, Ann Curry (Hambledon Press, London, 1994), p. 170 Detlev Schwennicke, Europäische Stammtafeln: Stammtafeln zur Geschichte der Europäischen Staaten, Neue Folge, Band III Teilband 4, Das Feudale Frankreich und Sien Einfluss auf des Mittelalters (Marburg, Germany: Verlag von J. A. Stargardt, 1989), Tafel 638 G. E. Cokayne, The Complete Peerage, Vol. XI (The St. Catherine Press, London, 1949) p. 697 K.S.B. Keats-Rohan, Domesday Descendants: A Prosopography of Persons Occurring in English Documents 1066-1166, Volume II Pipe Rolls to Cartae Baronum (Boydell & Brewer, UK & Rochester, NY, 2002), p. 310 G. E. Cokayne, The Complete Peerage, Vol. XI (The St. Catherine Press, London, 1949) pp. 693-4 DeBacker, D. M., Gathering Leaves , ( Lulu.com, 2008), 254. Additional References The Gesta Normannorum Ducum of William of Jumièges, Orderic Vitalis, and Robert of Torigni, edited and translated by Elisabeth M. C. Van Houts, Clarendon Press, Oxford, 1995. Notes Orderic Vitalis and Robert de Torigny both mentioned his nickname 'Talvas' but he is not known to have used it when granting or attesting his own charters,[G. E. Cokayne, The Complete Peerage, Vol. XI (The St. Catherine Press, London, 1949) p. 697 n. (a)] but in a notification by the monks of St. Michel he was styled Willelmus Tallevat comes Pontivi. [Calendar of Documents Preserved in France, ed. J. Horace Round (Eyre and Spottiswoode, 1899), no. 737] From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: William III of Ponthieu (c. 1093[1] – 1172) also called William (II; III) Talvas.[a] He was seigneur de Montgomery in Normandy and Count of Ponthieu. Life: William was son of Robert II of Bellême and Agnes of Ponthieu.[2][3][4] He succeeded his father as count of Ponthieu some time between 1105 and 1111,[2] when he alone as count made a gift to the abbey of Cluny.[3] His father Robert de Bellême had turned against Henry I on several occasions, had escaped capture at the battle of Tinchebrai in 1106 commanding Duke Robert's rear guard and later, while serving as envoy for King Louis of France, he was arrested by Henry I and imprisoned for life.[5] William was naturally driven by this to oppose King Henry. In June of 1119, however, Henry I restored all his father's lands in Normandy. Sometime prior to 1126, William resigned the county of Ponthieu to his son Guy but retained the title of count.[3] In 1135 Henry I again confiscated all his Norman lands to which William responded by joining count Geoffrey of Anjou in his invasion of Normandy after Henry I's death[3] Family: His married, abt. 1115, Helie of Burgundy, daughter of Eudes I, Duke of Burgundy.[2][6] The Gesta Normannorum Ducum says that they had five children, three sons and two daughters. Europäische Stammtafeln, however, shows eleven.[2] The five both agree on are: Guy II. He assumed the county of Ponthieu during his father Talvas' lifetime, but died in 1147 predeceasing his father.[2] William, Count of Alençon.[2] John I, Count of Alençon, married Beatrix d'Anjou, daughter of Elias II, Count of Maine and Philippa, daughter of Rotrou III, Count of Perche.[2] Clemence married (abt. 1189) Juhel, son of Walter of Mayenne.[2] Adela (aka Ela) married William de Warenne, 3rd Earl of Surrey.[2] She married, secondly, Patrick of Salisbury. References: Kathleen Thompson, 'William Talvas, Count of Ponthieu, and the Politics of the Anglo-Norman Realm', England and Normandy in the Middle Ages, ed. David Bates, Ann Curry (Hambledon Press, London, 1994), p. 170 Detlev Schwennicke, Europäische Stammtafeln: Stammtafeln zur Geschichte der Europäischen Staaten, Neue Folge, Band III Teilband 4, Das Feudale Frankreich und Sien Einfluss auf des Mittelalters (Marburg, Germany: Verlag von J. A. Stargardt, 1989), Tafel 638 G. E. Cokayne, The Complete Peerage, Vol. XI (The St. Catherine Press, London, 1949) p. 697 K.S.B. Keats-Rohan, Domesday Descendants: A Prosopography of Persons Occurring in English Documents 1066-1166, Volume II Pipe Rolls to Cartae Baronum (Boydell & Brewer, UK & Rochester, NY, 2002), p. 310 G. E. Cokayne, The Complete Peerage, Vol. XI (The St. Catherine Press, London, 1949) pp. 693-4 DeBacker, D. M., Gathering Leaves , ( Lulu.com, 2008), 254. Son of Robert of Bellême and Agnes of Ponthieu, William III, also known Talvas, had, since 1105, succeeded his mother the County of Ponthieu. His father took him to the lordship and retained the enjoyment until the time of his captivity; son of the great youth seems, moreover, justify the usurpation of the father, one might instead look like an umbrella, although the chroniclers of the time envisageassent in a different light. When Robert fell into the hands of Henry, never to regain his freedom, all his lordships were devolved to his son. Henry, wanting to take advantage of the sale that King Louis the fat was somehow forced to do it, the city of Belleme and dependent areas, came to besiege the last week of April 1113 he was in this design, gathered all his forces with Thibault, Count of Anjou; his son-Rotrou III; Fulk of Anjou and many other illustrious knights and lords of the area. Emery or Haimeric, Sire de Villeray, commanded in Bellême for William, son of Robert. After incredible efforts, superhuman struggle and streams of blood spilled, the town and castle were taken on 3 May, after a siege of three days. The dungeon, newly repaired, was immediately shaved. Henry in possession of this place, one of the strongest of the kingdom, gave Rotrou, his son, Count of Perche, and since then the family Talvas could never return. Henri, after the death of his only son, William Adelin, drowned in Normandy from England, November 25, 1120, had granted the hand of Matilda, his only legitimate daughter, widow of Emperor Henry V, Geoffroy, surnamed the Fair, Count of Anjou, with the promise of several strongholds in Normandy for dowry. The stepfather, refusing to put his son in possession of castles promised, the result was a rupture. Guillaume Talvas, a childhood friend and devoted body and soul to the Duke of Anjou, became suspect to the king, who made the call to testify at his court. The example of his father was too recent for it to fall into the trap. Instead of complying with the summons of Henry, he retired in the fortresses of Peray, Mamers and others, he had in the Sonnois under the protection of Count Geoffroy. Henri for revenge, took Alencon and Argentan, it was considerably stronger. In vain Mathilde put everything possible; in vain she had recourse to prayers and tears Talvas to reconcile with his father the king, the monarch remained inflexible; his hatred to the house of Belleme was too violent to release anything to any member of that family. King Henry 1st died on 1 December 1135, Guillaume de Belleme took advantage of the occasion to go, arms in hand, in possession of his domains sequestered in Normandy. Stephen, Count of Mortain, leaning on the law of fiefs, claiming to be in default of heirs male heir of his uncle, the King of England, seized the throne. Guillaume Talvas, supporter of Geoffroy, married to Mathilde sole legitimate heir of Henry, she claimed the crown, found himself in opposition to all the most powerful lords of the country, namely: Rotrou, Count of Perche; Richer, Lord of The Eagle; Lord of Claire or Cleray; Jean de Neuville, bishop of Sees; that of Lisieux and many other famous figures who recognized Etienne Duke of Normandy; the Alençonnais became the theater of the horrors that accompany a civil war. The following year, 1136, Talvas followed the Count of Anjou in his expedition to the country of Hyesme against supporters of either competitor, but soon her own business called him into his fields where he feared an invasion from the Count Rotrou III, who gave Étienne Moulins-la-Marche, and from Richer L Eagle, which had received Bonsmoulins. William married Alice, daughter of the Duke of Burgundy and widow of the Count of Toulouse; he had three son and two daughters; the eldest, named Guy, was Count of Ponthieu; the second named jeans, inherited the county of Alençon and lords of Sonnois and Sees; the third named Philip, died in infancy and was buried in the choir of the Church of the Abbey of St. Martin of Sees. The eldest daughter, named Adala or Adele, married Juhel, first name, Lord of Mayenne, which came a numerous posterity; the second, called Helia, was married in first name to William III, Count of Varennes, and seconds to Patrice Evreux, Earl of Salisbury, England. Count d'Alencon took advantage of the peace who came to take the cross. Louis VII the Younger, was preparing to leave for the Holy Land. William accompanied the Count of Ponthieu, his eldest son. They walked towards the fields of Palestine year 1147. Arriving at Ephesus that year was the unfortunate Talvas the pain of losing her son, a serious illness took away his love in all the freshness of youth . The portico of the great church of this ancient and famous city received the mortal remains of the young paladin, who was buried there with all the pomp due to his rank. Returning from this expedition, the outcome was so. fatal to the Crusaders, William found himself exposed to new misfortunes. Henry II Plantagenet says, then king of England, he demanded the surrender of Alencon, the Roche Mabile and lands depended, on the pretext of changing some abusive customs that were introduced to it under the domination of Belleme, and he immediately ordered the reform. The year 1168, the young Count of Ponthieu, son of Guy II, died in Ephesus and grand-son of Talvas, refused a passage on his land to Mathieu, Count of Boulogne, who came to the aid of Henry II, then at war with the King of France, Louis the young, the king of England, transported with fury, entered with his troops in the country Vimeu (Picardy), depending Ponthieu County, will put everything to fire and sword: more than forty villages became engulfed in flames. The King of France, to avenge his vassal, entered Normandy and burned Castle Oak brown; Henry, in retaliation, threw himself on the French land and burned in turn castles Brézolles and Chateauneuf-en-thymerais, both belonging to Hugues de Châteauneuf. Not content with this act of vengeance, he still exercised its fury and its depredations on part of big perch. Afflicted in excess of the misfortunes of his little son, William, unable to fight against the powerful oppressor, s was forced to stick to sterile compassion. Peace between the two kings who finally succeeded so many disasters, Henry took the opportunity to dig deep trenches separating the Normandy of the Perche; several traces that remain of the Long side of the bridge, Moulins-la-Marche, after the Genettes and other places still bear the name of King Ditches. They are clear evidence that since the sale of Moulins to Count Rotrou III, the land of Perche were no longer bounded by the Sarthe, but which shaved the castle of St. Scholasse and dragged on until about The Eagle. Guillaume Talvas died on the day of St. Peter, 29 June 1171. The chroniclers do not agree on the place of burial. Next memories Perseigne Abbey, St. John's Chapel, the church of the house, would have received his remains, other memories of the Abbey of Saint André en Gouffern, I agree with History of the great officers of the crown, claim to have been deposited in the choir of that church, on the side of the Epistle. History will blame the lord no acts of ferocity which had soiled his family on the paternal side. he alone founded more religious houses all Talvas its predecessors. 1- In 1145, he built in his Perseigne Sonnois forest in a magnificent abbey of the Cistercian order; 2 In the year 1130 he founded that of Silly or Saint André en Gouffern, and the Vignats; 3- In 1138, the Valloires, Picardy; 4- In 1159, the great and rich abbey of St. Josseaux-Bois, on the confines of Artois; 5- The priories of Mamers and Cochère. He gave great wealth to the abbeys of Saint-Martin and Saint Évroult Sees. We know him six natural children: 1st- said Robert Samson, Lord of Aulnaux; 2ème- said Robert Garenne Garenne lord Roullée; 3ème- Blerlay Hugh, Lord of Cerisé near Alencon; 4ème- Robert said of Neuilly, Lord of Longray by his wife; 5ème- Jean d'Alencon, archdeacon of Lisieux parish priest and archdeacon of Boitron; 6ème- finally Jeanne d'Alencon, Payen woman from Couesme, Lord Luce. It is the last of which has owned the Talvas Bellemois. http://www.saosnois.com/belleme/guillaume3i.htm

  
  

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  [S64] The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, International Genealogical Index. Robert II De ALENCON; Male; Death: 1119; Spouse: Agnes De of PONTHIEU; Marriage: Before 09 SEP 1087 , , France; No source information is available. Record submitted after 1991 by a member of the LDS Church. Search performed using PAF Insight on 21 Sep 2004